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Poster: Lazarusliamfinnegan Date: Mar 15, 2007 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the "wine" of the song list?

Or better said- which songs debuting before 1975 got much better with age?

I have more than one, but I want to start here- Deal. Plain and simple.

Compare just about any 72 Deal to any Deal from 88-90 and there is no question the song just flew. Honestly, when I first strted to listen to the older dead i saw deal and got excited- but now I feel the song is just a pleasant ditty in 1972.

What other songs?

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Mar 16, 2007 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Cold Rain and Snow was better in early 70 than in 66. Does that count? I'm not sure it ever got better than then.

Dancin' in the Streets was off-the-chart good in 70 and perhaps slightly even more off-the-chart good in 76-77.

Drums was way better in 78 than 68.

My ability otherwise to reply intelligently to this topic is hampered by my limited 80's listening experience, so I'll go back to watching basketball.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 15, 2007 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Truckin'

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

since we are in 2007 :) i'm gonna throw in Peggy-O

was great every year - but every year had some sound different to add

other than that i'll throw in Let it Grow - i thought that got much better with age - with the greatest versions coming in 89-90

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Poster: Lazarusliamfinnegan Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

right there with you

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

have to say Let it grow. Really evolved and one of the few songs where the boys, especially jer, really nailed the midi stuff. I would also throw in Bird song on both accounts

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 16, 2007 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

wEATHER rEPORT/Repise's are quite refreshing as well.

This post was modified by smi2les on 2007-03-17 00:08:26

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Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

China Cat>Rider
That's a tune that I don't mind having on any show. First set opener, closer, second set opener always rocked, in the middle of any set. Grate jam.

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Poster: Lazarusliamfinnegan Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

I think China-Rider went through several different eras of evolution- someone wrote extensively about this so I will not copy- it can be found- let's just say there was primal, then there was the versions played with the "bridge", and then it came to be in its "final" form with the Weir led sections that sounds like that CSNY song. I say weir led as it was, but jerry first played the lick- as he did with the opening of the cat.

With evolution come peaks- and the peak in the third version of china cat rider- and I know this is just subjective- came in Alpine Valley in July of 1989- I have never heard a better version that occured after thatone

Truckin is a curious one- it was jammed so well in 72-74 after being pretty much a radio hit from 70-71. Some may like the jammed out form of the early 70's- others like Brian and myself find it more enjoyable as a less spacey song and more of a solid jamming cornerstone

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Poster: Lazarusliamfinnegan Date: Mar 16, 2007 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Grendel mentioned cassiday- that made me think of The Music Never Stopped- another one that got better with the middle jam extending

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

First Set number: Birdsong - the long jams could be the "legs" you look for in a glass of fine wine

Second Set number: Wharf Rat - Jerry's portrayals got more poetic as he aged - and while the wine here is as likely MD2020 as anything, that has its place too (recently placed in the top 5 among a group of overeducated friends put up against 13 other bottles in blind tasting. As always, the most expensive bottle was disdained universally)

Encore: Brokedown Palace - Always left me with a sense of satisfaction, a refreshing palate cleanser!

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Poster: geolectro Date: Mar 16, 2007 2:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

My interest falls off sharply after '76, but i will second Let It Grow. Late '77-early '78 versions are some of the coolest Dead ever.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2007 3:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

CASSIDY absolutely got better with age.

Even versions from 1977, my all-time favorite year, don't compare with the versions in later years, especially early 80's and early 90's when they extended the jam sequence before the final verse.

The version from the Cap Center 3/15/90 show is just one example...they actually extended the jam into 2 different parts that builds and builds before settling back into the "flight on the seabirds" finale.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Mar 16, 2007 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

If were talkin new songs-- I think Days and So Many Roads were the best of the last.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 17, 2007 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China/Rider & Chateau Margaux

Since you make the analogy to wine, Cliffs answer is China Cat Sunflower.

Like a First Growth Bordeaux, the song was "accessible" but too youthful and tannic early in its life (1968-1971).

China Cat, and particularly the segue into Rider started "opening up" in 1972.

By 1973 the song has evolved and blossomed into a jazzy masterpiece.

Like a mature First Growth Bordeaux, the song has aged gracefully. Some of the "fruit" may have faded away over the years, but there are still some fantastic old "bottles" around in 1979 and beyond(?)...

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2007-03-17 15:22:31

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Cliff--

That's about the most perfect description of the China>Rider evolution as I've ever heard. I'll toast to that!

(recommended '74 versions: Dicks Picks 14: Space>China>MLB Jam>Rider; also 2/24/74.)

(recommended '79 version: Nassau, 10-31-79...)

(recommended '81 version: MSG, 3-9-81)

("" '82 version: 10-10-82, Frost, CA.)

Can anyone give me an early 90's recommendation....Cap Ctr 3-15-90 is pretty good but i'm sure there's better.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

CHECK OUT THE CHINA RIDER from greensboro nc 4-1-91!!!!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2007 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

WWDreamer:

Nice call on 4-1-91. Jerry's voice is well, what it was in '91--pretty weak.
But both tunes are scorchers jam-wise, and Hornsby works nicely in the chorus on Rider.

Very sweet transition jam.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

You've got to check out this one out that somedarkhollow turned Cliff onto, grendel, even Robert Parker would give it 100 pts!

if you listen closely, you can hear the band "lock-in" like the Allmans...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-24.sbd.clugston.10022.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 16, 2007 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

11-24-79:

already "locked and loaded." Can't believe I forgot to list that one. It's a hum-dinger.

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Poster: gilamonster58 Date: Mar 16, 2007 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

I'm gonna go with Stella Blue. I think the definitive version was Richfield '93.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 15, 2007 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

"Jack Straw" definately took a while to get going. The pre hiatus versions are pretty static compared to the later dynamics this song showed.

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 15, 2007 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

A little outside your 75 criteria, but 89-91 Help>Slip>Frank were outstanding.

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Poster: Scrim Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

I really like what they did with Let it Grow. When they are all jamming near the end, and it all comes to that climax, and then Jerry comes in with his single note pickin – AHHHH – when he gets it right it just sends shivers down my spine.

The Other One has always been good, but it just got better in some aspects by 1990. Phil could really bomb you out.

Wharf Rat, while still always good, just got better. I loved the way Brent could harmonize with Jerry on the lyrics: “cause I know that, the life I'm livin's, no good.” They could hold “life” for an eternity, good stuff.

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 15, 2007 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Try this one, Mr. Charlie >

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-03-21.sbd-disk1.samaritano.15041.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 16, 2007 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

This is a dynamite version of The Other One!

Smi2les reply has absolutely nothing to do with Lazerus/Liam's post, the set list does not match the file, and Mr. Charlie isnt even on either. But it is a cool Other One...

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 16, 2007 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Thanks Cliff, off for some more Mountain Rhine, Strawwberry Hill, Tyrollia, and Sangria.

http://www.archive.org/details/Bill_Broonzy-Good_Liquor

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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Bird Song...sort of.

There are some great early/mid 70s versions of this song, but I really find myself drawn to some of the late 80s/early 90s versions. I find that they really explore the song further in the later years. Playing the song several times with Branford helped that status quite a bit.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Good post idea...as a confirmed old timer era sort, I have trouble with the decline in vocal abilities, BUT have to go with Dire...I think that Peggy O is a song that Jerry could do justice to all thru the years.

Good choice.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Sugaree is a great song that went longer and longer as the years went on. Some of the epic versions of this tune span 17-20 minutes.

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Which songs in the repertoire at least twenty years were the 'wine' of the song list?

Now that Sugaree.

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